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Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.02.05 02:52:00 - [1] - Quote Claire Coffee wrote: I love Saveritrader! He's awesome! His bond is super sweet! There's nothing wrong with trying to build a reputation on MD! How else can you actually get funding for a large IPO? And besides, capitalism isn't about making money, it's abou COMMUNITY and FEELINGS and EMOTIONS! ..Wow Claire, I never figured you for a shill. This brings back memories. Claire is SencneS, that's for sure. I can't figure out if Saveitrader is Ray McCormack or Amarr Citizen 155 yet. Guess only time will tell!
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.02.05 03:59:00 - [2] - Quote ..Don't most production bonds/IPOs have a secure third party lock down the BPOs in the manufacturing corp and allow the investee to produce from them? Saveritrader, would you be willing to go forward with this IPO utilizing this traditional fashion? Why/why not?
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.02.05 06:20:00 - [3] - Quote ..Thanks Candy. So Saveritrader, how do you like that idea? Instead of leveraging your profitable name garnered from the apparent success from your first bond, why not gasp start a bit smaller and procure the BPOs with own funds? I'll do you a favor and lay the ground work for your IPO: Allocate 5b of your own isk for this venture. Purchase BPOs. Take 1-2b and set up a POS. Run your production lines profitably for at least two months. Then come to MD and ask for funds, for a SECURED bond. Saveritrader, are you willing to handle this venture via this method? Why/why not? Something has gotten me thinking "ruh roh Shaggy." I want and looked over Saveritrader's thread where he successfully raised enough funds for his bond. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195432&find=unread It looks like Claire was the first to bite, on the condition that Sav supplied his API. He said he did, Claire liked it, and promptly invested 2b. shar'ra matcevsovski then asked for the API also, which Sav said he provided. At this point many other posters posted that they have sent Sav isk, but none asked for APIaccess. Assumably because of Claire's positive returns and her overall happiness with how the bond was going. I would say that because of this, and Clair's amount of fame as a regular MD poster, gave other MD lurkers confidence in the bond. And now rabbit hole On 2013.2.2 at 16:01 I sent Sav a mail via evegate stating my interest in investing 1b, on the condition that I receive access to the APIs. On 2013.2.3 at 00:14 Sav informed me that he did not "have room for it right now" but he had plans for expanding in the upcoming week. Sav accepted what looks like another 1b via his bond thread on 2013.2.2 at 13:15. He did state to Erialor, who sent 500m, that his portion of the invested isk would run for an additional week. On 2013.2.4 at 01:03 poster Kazuma Gaterau posted that he had sent Sav 100m. At the time of this writing Sav hasn't confirmed or denied that 100m investment. Summery: Itlooks like Claire is the only "investor" to have been granted access to the API. My request for API with intentions to invest was denied. On the same day that my money was turned down, Sav gladly accepted isk from posters who did not request API. Claire Coffee, the only poster who appears to have the API, which I'm assuming is just a ruse, is Sav's #1 cheerleader in this thread. I will not be investing with Saveritrader. All of this post is pure speculation. If I am wrong, I apologie to Sav and to Claire. At any rate, this wild paranoia exercises my ability to keep my isk in my wallet.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.02.05 07:39:00 - [4] - Quote Tom Hagen wrote: Syds Sinclair wrote: Stuff I liked your post, not necessarily because it is true. But because it shows what in Eve is a healthy dose of paranoia @Saveritrader I see a new business opportunity here for you, make Candy pay you for not smearing her reputation in MD ..Keen eye Hagen! I would have thought Clarie (not Candy) would have charged more of a primum the 17b/2. Her rep, with the right proposal, could have netted her much more then 8.5b.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.02.05 13:10:00 - [5] - Quote ..Sav and Claire - What an awful lot of words that mean absolutely nothing. I really like how within all those words you didn't answer any useful question in detail, even accidentally! My favorite part is when Sav says "I know having the BPOs as collateral would make this bond secure, but even so, my plan is to use Isk from the IPO to buy BPOs". Well that's just dandy Sav. And now I think we all have our answers. Claire is without a doubt SencneS, and Sav is Ray. Except Reithe. Sorry about mixing two different MD memes. TL;DR version: Anyone reading this thread, and anyone who reads the actual official IPO thread (that is if Sav and Claire can do a good job with damage control from this thread) do not invest in this IPO. Do not send any Isk to Sav, and do not trust Claire. In my book this is a very pitiful scam attempt. Even with all of the charitable work you do in between making trillions of ISK in your C6 Claire. "The TL;DR was TL;DR". Fine. Heres the TTL;DR,WTL;DR version: I believe this is a scam. I advise you to not invest in this IPO or give any money to Saveitrader or trust Claire Coffee. You have been warned.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.02.05 14:14:00 - [6] - Quote Saveritrader wrote: Syds Sinclair wrote: .. .."The TL;DR was TL;DR". Fine. Heres the TTL;DR,WTL;DR version: Just a small thing of note: Your TL;DR is longer than your normal version. I actually don't know how to respond to this... I can hardly believe how you think I am someone who I am not. I would gladly talk to you on teamspeak or any other form of actual communication, because it is just bollocks to say I, or Claire, are people we aren't. ..I took care of my TL;DR being longer then the actually body of the post. I'll call your attention to my "TTL;DR,WTL;DR" section. It stands for "The too long didn't read was too long didn't read" I expect this new abbreviation to go viral on all popular interwebs. As for how to respond to this...No I don't want to talk to you on teamspeak. Why? Because that's what you want. To make this IPO and discussion personal. It doesn't have to be personal, it just has to be factual. I would much rather invest in a lifeless pilot who make a thread here with no personality but solid facts and numbers then a smooth talking pilot who avoids any and all questions. I.E. you. Claire Coffee wrote: ...what kind of meaning do YOU present? Community protection against possible scam according to your assumption? Well, okay, what does it have to do with this discussion? More to that, what does it have to do with me?... ..On the topic of meaning I present to the Community: Not interested in "community protection against possible scam"." I mean I don't want to see anyone scammed, sure. But on that not, I really don't care what people do with their ISK. They can all shove it down Somer Blink for all I care. What I am interested in, and quite skilled at, in game or otherwise is, calling BS out as being BS. I may not know the correct way/method of doing X, but I can sure spot a wrong way. And I can also surely point out that wrong way. So this is just a little hobby of mine I enjoy doing. On the toping of "What does what I'm saying have to do with Claire Coffee." Simple. I am calling you out as a scammer. I believe that you and Sav are cohorts and you are attempting to cash in some of your rep for ISK. Claire Coffee wrote: It's funny how civilized "Presumption of Innocence" is called white-knighting here. Claire, this is Eve. As you and all pilots should know, when meeting a new pilot/poster/investor/investee/corp mate, there should in fact be a healthy dose of "Presumption of Guilt and/or Intent to Harm." Now I know you know this. SO it makes me even further question why you are such a cheerleader for Sav. Saveritrader wrote: Hm, it's a shame that a normal topic in which I tried to ask the MD people for some advice first turned into a thread in which I'm called out to be a scammer, people that have invested in me are called out scammers. ..Saveritrader there is advice to be had from this thread. The same advice I gave you on page one. Use a bit of your own funds to secure BPOS. Use a bit of your own funds to set up a POS. Run your lines profitably for approx. two months. Come to MD with figures, numbers. profit margins, and most of all, collateral. I've asked you before why you do not want to do it this way. It looks like you just wont be happy until you get unsecured ISK from MD. I wonder why that is??
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.02.05 15:21:00 - [7] - Quote ..Ok awesome. So here for the record. You have just said that any future production IPO will not be in the method that you outlined in your OP. As the only contested point is the lack of locking down the BPOs for collateral. I, as well as many other investors, would fill such a bond without any other information. Let me clear. No other point matters in an IPO like this. So here for the record, will you, Saveritrader, agree that the next production IPO you release will be fully collateralized via locked down BPO's?
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.02.05 15:32:00 - [8] - Quote ..Awesome. Hear it now, Saveritrader has stated any future production IPO's will be 100% secure. Thank you Sav.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.02.05 15:48:00 - [9] - Quote ..Point of interest. Last night I Eve-Mailed shar'ra matcevsovski and asked him if Sav had sent the APIs that he requested. shar'ra replied and said that Sav did send his API. shar'ra has stated that the API is no longer valid at the time of this writing. Strange thing for Sav to do, cancel his API during an active bond. Even stranger that Claire, an "investor" with the keys, has not brought this piece of info up, questioning Sav as to why he caned those APIs, denying him to further acces while his ISK is still at risk. I wonder why that is? Almost like Sav and Claire are working together. And they would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids!
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.02.05 16:22:00 - [10] - Quote ..I did get the mail that Sav posted about. It looks like I am wrong about the API in question. I still hold firm on all of my other speculations and statements.

Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.02.05 19:03:00 - [11] - Quote ..Thanks for the advice Vaerah. I pretty much agree with your statements. I do like to season my posts with a healthy dash of instigation! My goal is to find any skeletons in the closet via a swat team, rather then shinig a flashlight on them. At any rate, your opinion has value to me. As for pepperidge, if my memory serves me, any unsecured audit that Vaerah has performed as resulted in these select outcomes: IPO issuer does/does not have the required skills/assets/experience/ track record to complete said IPO. As far as I remember, the best summery from Vaerah for an unsecured loan has been - highly risky investment due to the nature of unsecured loans. Not an ounce of selling out there.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.02.05 20:55:00 - [12] - Quote Saveritrader wrote: - I will be mostly producing T1, yet T2 is something I will be working towards - I will also be providing the ships for my alliance. For the rest I will sell it on the market as it currently stands. - In times of war the POS will be without any valuables and loaded with guns! If it goes down, the valuable stuff will be sitting in the station where I will resume production, just a bit slower. ..T2 invention/production is risky. Is this a T1 production IPO or a T2 invention/production IPO? How much of a discount are you going to be giving you alliance? How will that affect shareholder profits? A pilot or group of pilots that want your POS dead will get it dead. There goes 1-2b of shareholder ISK. Why wouldn't you simply take the POS down and then put it back up after the war deck?
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:45:00 - [13] - Quote ..I'll own up to shar'ra matcevsovski's post. I didn't want to out shar'ra for giving me Sav's API. So I took that API and ran it, and it said that it was not active. Another poster stated it was active, so I'm assuming the fault and error is mine on the part of looki g up that API. So that one is on me. But even still, I stand by all of my speculation and statements. I'm also glad hat I got Sav to agree on a fully secured future production IPO.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.02.06 06:07:00 - [14] - Quote Claire Coffee wrote: I LIED! I can't skip this thread :( While Jerry is being a fail alt of Syds who tends to lose badly fit Ravens while being a null-sec pet running around pointing fingers at anyone possessing better ideas and income than his own I declare invalidity of his points further on. I shall seal this statement with RECTANGULAR hint-hint ribbon on his foreheads shall I meet him in person, which I doubt will ever happen, therefore you'll have to take my "reputable" word for that. /thread? :-) ..My small ammount of time in nulsec on this pilot doesn't mean much to this topic of conversation. But I will tell you what means much: you taking time out of your day to find tidbits about me. I'm assuming you we're looking for scams or scam attempts. Hell, I bet you would have been happy to find serious accusation thrown at me. But alas, all of your snooping only yielded a few silly Raven fits I lost in nulsec. Sorry Claire. And another thing that matters. Saveritrader has publicly stated that any future production IPO's will be fully secured. Chalk one up for the good guys! Lets look at the scoreboard, shall we? Watchdogs - 1 Shills - 0 VV, Pepridge is doing what he has set out to do: make ridiculous statements and then spend all effort required to defend those ridiculous statements.....by saying more ridiculous statements. VV, I think you and a majority of MD know what you are and what you stand for.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.02.06 06:30:00 - [15] - Quote ..Jerry. Don't take the portion about you in my post as an insult. I like what you do. Your antagonistic just for its own sake. Problem is, everyone knows it and for the most part disregards your posts. I just think it doesn't serve any purpose other then to give you and a few other readers some amusement. Which is cool if that's your thing. On that note, I also like what I LIKE IT does. I like his corp name also. I'd like I see his character more fleshed out in the upcoming weeks. It would be great if some of the people he invested with would post his mails.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.02.06 12:33:00 - [16] - Quote Claire Coffee wrote: About security requirement I told Sav before he even created this thread and therefore much before you even opened your mouth. In Sav's OP he states there will be no security. He makes the same statement a few posts later. So eh though you told him "before he even created this thread," it wasn't until I, and other posters, opened our mouths that he changed his mind. Me - 1 Shill - 0
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.02.06 14:30:00 - [17] - Quote ..I don't have to know the people. My perception of a person has no bearing on a topic such as this. All I need to know for an IPO like this is the business plan and the amount of security. Yes I did point fingers. I pointed them at an IPO proposal which leaves 17b of investor ISK at risk. I also pointed fingers at a person who is acting like a shill and acting like he's/(she's) in cahoots with the originator of a risky IPO. I don't see a problem wih either of those actions. Why do you? My standards are high, as you should take notice of the high standard of IPO quality I encourage originators to comply with. You, Claire, seem to be okay with low quality IPOs. And finally Claire, this is Eve. Better yet, this is the MD forum of Eve. There ARE scammers everywhere. Maybe you should go watch the "Eve is real" video by CCP.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.02.06 15:07:00 - [18] - Quote ..I didn't call the person good or bad. I called the iPO plan bad. Not on assumption. My claims were based in facts. On the topic of people. You Claire seem like a cool person. You post a lot and create content. Your posts are good reads. As for Saveritrader, he's seems like a cool dude also. Well formed posts and polite. I wouldn't have a problem with flying with either of you, or discussing different areas of conversation. I don't think either of you are bad people. The IPO, however. Your adamant defense of Sav, however. That I don't care for.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.02.06 22:49:00 - [19] - Quote ..Sav, I think you have a problem seeing the forest through the trees. What you call negative IS the constructive back and forth.
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.02.06 23:09:00 - [20] - Quote ..Oh I see, yeah the Jerry and VV thing should have been handled in its own thread. But ignoring that, it looks like this bread accomplished exactly what you wanted it to: ironing out a solid IPO plan. So awesome, good job. I'd like to see this venture launched. If I were you, I'd start a some conversations with Grendel, Chib, and maybe VV so see what they can do as far as locking the BPO's down.

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